Thanks. That helps a lot.
I was working up an improved Boston Lager clone based on color and IBU. I need a bit more maltiness, and color and bitterness so I figured I would up the Cara 60, and boil some Tettnanger to up the bitterness then do the 3 week dry hop (after high krausen) with Hallertauer Mittelfrau. This is starting with the Pilsner HME which has a good hop taste but is light and lightly hopped.
SA is 30 IBU and 11 SRM, 5% ABV and they say they only use pale 2 row and Cara 60.
But not for a while.