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    Newbie needs brew plan confirmation

    only a matter of time until everything you look at you will ask 'can i put this in beer?' or 'can i make beer in this?' soon you will be coming up with recipes like smoked chipotle porters or banana rye bread hefeweisen... hmm... that sounds interesting to me. a hefe made with a rye/wheat grain bill, fermented hot to make banana esters. welcome to your new obsession.
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    Highest Attenuation?

    the really funny thing in my opinion about saison yeast is that they seem to be such polite yeast.i never have crazy mad aggressive fermentations with them. they barely make a lot of krausen. it seems they just politely munch and munch and keep munching until your fg is below 1.01 ... and sometimes they keep munching. An old member here advised on my first saison, on the last week crank up the heat to encourage it to have a final pig out before bottling. dont rush to bottle because they will keep munching and BOOM.
  3. so i dont have the means to do a 5 gallon all grain recipe. could i split the grain into two 2.5 gallon batch weights and do 2 smaller mashes.. then add the resulting worts? i know there would be no way of evenly distributing the grain varieties between the batches, so i assume i would have different PH levels in each batch probably. other than that would it work? example: recipe 1 has 12 lbs of grain made of 8 lbs base, and 4 lbs specialty grains. could i stir the grains up to mix them real good then split them into 2 x 6 lb bags of grain... then mash each separately... add the volumes of wort? in theory if i am careful about the PH levels in both i should be extracting sugars are a similar efficiency, and mixing them should produce the same flavor in the end.
  4. zorak1066

    Highest Attenuation?

    about 90% with a saison (danstar bella saison) - fermented at about 76f
  5. the problem is that taste is entirely subjective. i might taste 'cider' or green apples. you might taste vinegar. i can taste banana esters.. my wife cant. peroxide based sanitizers might..MIGHT.. in some cases contribute an odd taste. if you have ever rinsed your mouth with peroxide water see if that matches. i use starsan and have never had any issues with foam left in bottles... or off flavors from it. when i used iodophor i sometimes got iodine notes in the background. any time i used the coopers yeast from under the lid i could detect an odd yeasty twang in the beer. after my 3rd batch i think i started buying fermentis or other. IF you detect vinegar notes and didnt have a pellicle on your wort, hurry up and drink your batch before it starts turning really acidic. if it is just a green apple or cidery taste, watch your fermentation temps.
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    Bottling question

    floaters = yeast rafts = perfectly normal.
  7. xjar.. never toss a beer until you have given it a chance. always ask around if you are concerned. i have myself consumed a lacto bacter infected batch without issue. first time i saw yeast rafts though it freaked me out too.
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    Starting to think about HME and LME

    as for the unwritten law Bdawg i think it is written somewhere but it's in sumerian text and i dont read cuneiform. one of the lines in the Song of Ninkasi surely goes: Ninkasi, blessed are we for we have beer and blessed be those to it we treat but cursed be the fool who on receiving it uses your beer to soak his meat!
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    Starting to think about HME and LME

    theres nothing wrong too with liking commercially available swill. i myself drink rolling rock or pbr when i cant afford to make beer.. but to use home brew for a marinade??! what a jerk. even crap beer that was home made and offered as a sample would get consumed. if i hated it , i would tactfully tell you 'hey man, i appreciate the beer but hmm.. ya know it's just not my thing. ' and then i would tell you if asked why i didnt care for it. i wont lie... or use it to wash the floor or soak my feet or as a marinade. 😕 so much work goes into making beer and to your typical true brewer making beer is a labor of love.
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    Starting to think about HME and LME

    there is nothing wrong with doing things just for you.. or friends who respect your bottle return policy. now if the neighbor were trading you something like vegs from the garden or some meat from a hunt i wouldnt have a problem. i'd trade some homebrew they liked for some boar or deer meat easy.
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    splitting a 5 gallon all grain recipe?

    cool.. thanks. good to know.
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    Yeast addition

    never dump wort just because you think it is broken or sick. even if it has an infection.. as long as it isnt ecoli you can probably still drink it. acetobacter you can turn into malt vinegar if you want. god.. ppl who toss beer have no business drinking or making it. if it sat for 4 days in a sealed lbk... and it doesnt stink like poo.... and it isnt overgrown with weird gunk... but it has no krausen on top and no trub on bottom of lbk, buy fresh yeast and pitch it. if you pitch healthy yeast and nothing was growing in the wort, they will take off and there ya go. expired, badly treated yeast means you have had cell die off. it doesnt necessarily mean all the cells are dead. what might have happened is that you had such small cell counts that the yeasts have been busy procreating / budding to raise their numbers for the last 4 days. if you pitch fresh yeast the dead yeast will serve as food. your final product might have some goofy ester development.. or maybe a little yeast funk.. but you might be surprised. i have pitched 1 yr past expired yeast that went through 2 power outages lasting several days. when it came time to use them i coddled them. i rehydrated in water about body temp 90-98f. no more. (see pack for instructions if any). stirred... pitched. i added my trusty mix of super secret yeast nutrients and boom. within a day it was going nuts. yeast are very forgiving critters, and are really tough to kill completely. (short of boiling for 15 minutes)...
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    A lesson in patience...

    some beers like ipa and wheat beers (hefeweizen) are better consumed young. heavy beers like stouts and high alcohol beers due better with a little age to mellow out flavors. i also like saisons when they are young.
  14. what makes it frustrating the most is even under the most perfect conditions, the yeast will still do what they want to do. all you can do is give them a safe home full of good food, at the right temps, and try to keep them happy. the yeast do all the hard work beyond that. what helps is that most of the problems people have are fixable once the cause is known. had a coworker who brewed with his dad. they gave it up because every batch tasted like rubber. they hated it. . .got frustrated and quit. i asked what water they were using? city water from the garden hose. ack. so hot baked rubber leeched into water.. with added chlorine from muni water... easily fixed but they gave up.
  15. zorak1066

    New guy

    i like the 3 weeks time guideline because it gives the yeast a chance to clean house. on the last week i move the fermenter to someplace around 70f to encourage the yeast to stay busy. it also gives any crud that washed into the beer from the side walls a chance to settle out...usually.
  16. usually you can tell theres an infection that would cause either sour or vinegar tastes. at bottling you will likely see a film of grey/white on top. really... google beer infections. the pictures speak volumes. when one of my batches developed a lactobacter infection, it had huge snotty looking grey bubbles and looked really weird. https://www.homebrewsupply.com/learn/is-my-batch-infected.html the first pic kind of looks like what i had in my pumpkin weis. as the article mentions not ever infection is necessarily bad. i would add not every weird thing floating on the surface of your wort is an infection. some times you get yeast rafts. some times hop oils and other junk floats on top. if you are getting sour beer or mouth puckering vinegar, odds are really high that your beer looked like one of the pics before you bottled. if it looked fine... it's most like just too high temps. another thing you can try: for many styles of beers fermentis US05 is a clean fermenting yeast that can take higher temps. if your ambient temp hits 67-68f it shouldnt care one bit. it doesnt produce too many esters in my opinion. i like it way more than the mr beer yeast that comes with the kits. fermentation range: (64-82°F) rehydration instructions: sanitize a mason jar. add sterile water. warm water to about 80f. sprinkle in yeast. cover with a sanitized piece of saran wrap or something. let it sit for about 20 mins. you should see the yeast diving to the bottom as they fill with water. after 20 mins take a sanitized spoon and gently stir to mix it in. let it sit for about another 10 mins then pitch into your wort. your wort temp should be around 68-70f. if you still get vinegar... especially if your wort looks weird at bottling... then youre getting infections from somewhere.
  17. if you can get the yeast off and running faster it might help keep things from forming in your wort too. use a yeast pitching calculator to figure out how much is needed. use fresh yeast if possible ie not past best by date. if instruction packet suggest rehydrating, give it a try. i think what is going on is your temps are too high and what you detect as vinegar might likely be acetaldehyde. also your sanitation process could be weak.. or... you might have an abundance of naturally occuring renegade yeast in your air ducts. there used to be a brewer here named Mashani whose house was full of brett c. any beer he made had a good chance of coming out a sour. try using star san. wash everything your wort will come in contact with and then liberally cover with starsan solution. give it a couple minutes of full contact time. watch your ambient temps.
  18. vinegar usually comes from a sanitation issue. there is a nasty little bacteria everywhere. it's on your hands. in the air. .. everywhere to some degree. it is acetobacter. this nasty little bugger can sometimes get into your wort or inside scratches in your fermenter. they sit there quietly waiting for your yeast to produce alcohol, then they spring into action. the bacteria feasts on the alcohol and pees out co2 and vinegar. two things start to happen. your bottled beer starts to over-carbonate. the beer inside starts to turn into acetic acid. (vinegar) if left to consume all available alcohol you can get bottle bombs... and when you go to drink it, the acid concentration can be strong enough to hurt your mouth. --- if it is very very slight 'sour' instead of in your face vinegar, it might be a lacto-bacillus infection. they too are everywhere. these guys are more polite. they dont consume the alcohol but produce lactic acid. the same thing in unflavored yogurt that makes you pucker, ends up in your beer. another 'sour' source is a yeast called Brett C. this yeast is common in nature too... and it produces the beers known as gueuze, lambics to name a couple. --- take a sip of your 'off' beer and hold it in your mouth. does it burn in any cuts or scratches in your mouth lining? or is it just sour? if youre hitting the sour notes more than the acid notes you can still drink your beer. i had a lactobacter in a pumpkin weis batch.. god awful on its own. when i wanted to drink it i stirred in a spoon of tang which cut the sour. --- fermenting at 67-70f means at peak fermentation (usually within the first 5 days) the temp inside your fermenter can hit 77-80f. your typical ale yeast gets stressed out at high heat and pees out acetaldehyde. this can give your beer a strong apple cider taste.. .which some ppl might find 'sour' or tasting like apple cider vinegar. work on getting your fermentation temperatures down closer to 60-64 f ambient during the first week. also what sanitizer are you using? ---- when you opened the fermenter to bottle did you notice a white/grey film floating on top? (google beer infections for pics) hope this helps
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    New guy

    welcome aboard! they make an 8 gallon keg??? oh! the 7.9g fast ferment conical thing! try to keep the temperature around your keg as close to 64f as you can for most ales. if your house gets hot, the fermenter temps will go up and the yeast might make apple cider flavors. lots of good info on these forums.. a good place to start is with the sticky posts in rickbeer's signature block.
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    One Gallon Glass Fermenter?

    the only wine i make now is hobo juice. no muss.. no fuss... about 18% abv.. and sometimes if i'm lucky it doesnt taste half bad on its own. my problem is i refuse to kill the yeast at a desired sweetness with chemicals and let them ferment it down to uber dry. i wait for welches juice to go on sale bogo and load up. if i can score 5# bags of sugar on sale bogo too it's a good day. 3 gallons of juice (no preservatives).. about 4 lbs sugar dissolved in juice over a low heat... add wine yeast. .. .a couple fist fulls of raisins and some sacrificial bread yeast. tada. i go an extra step and rack off lees after week two onto frozen fruit and give it another week or two. bottle... rinse the fruit and reuse in a compote or something. no waste. (except the yeast). i like to mix the hobo juice with 1/3 part cola or lime soda to add a little sweet back into it, and fizz. i found adding pepsi gives it an almost cabernet quality... a capricious little ****** of a wine with oak undertones and hints of currant, leather, and black raspberry.... with an elderberry nose and ... lol. i can picture hobos sitting around a 55 gallon metal drum fire sipping this , pinkies in air and commenting on hobo juice like wine snobs. 'a most excellent vintage!... tuesday!'
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    One Gallon Glass Fermenter?

    i still occasionally use 1 gallon glass jugs and my italian 2.5 gallon glass carboy. if co2 builds up it can shoot the rubber stopper out. the glass is super heavy / high quality. it does make cleaning and moving it a little hard when it is full. glass is super easy to clean, doesnt scratch, easy to sanitize well.... i would personally not use a 5 gallon glass carboy though. way too heavy. 5 gallons of wort at 42 lbs... 10 lbs of glass probably ... = big chance of dropping it... and more aggravation to hernias.
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    Saison fermentation seems to have stalled

    thats the spirit. if i could afford a wine chiller i'd probably try doing lagers... for now they are too high maintenance for me. it's fun to experiment. the tang powder was just the fix to make it drinkable.. and in all honesty, the very last bottle aged and mellowed. it was passable on its own. just dont go nuts like i did once. the wife had just boiled cabbage and had not yet dumped the water. waste not want not i said... and grabbed it to do an all grain cream ale. while i was gathering my ingredients i saw a box of apple jack cereal. wonder if i can use that with the grain? why not. so i mashed in cabbage water, with my apple jacks and malt... the finished product was really really weird. not horrible but thank goodness it was a small batch. i finally started experimenting with culinary uses for old hops, no longer suitable for beer. i put some moteuka in salt to use as seasoning. imparts a nice bitter with a hint of lemon. i added a dash of sugar to cut some of the bitter. i steeped some hops in rum. odd flavor but drinkable. wife will use the rest in cooking breads and such. not a lot out there on cooking with hops. she said she would like to try hop tea too but they are mid to high alpha acids so they might be a bit harsh. i use spent grain to make 'flour'. if it had my own brew fridge and money enough to brew often, i would also yeast wash / harvest. that was fun and can save you a little money.
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    Newbie needs brew plan confirmation

    you can always drink room temp beer... like me. the only drawback with this is that the co2 never fully enters suspension so you have to undercarb or slowly open the bottles.
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    Saison fermentation seems to have stalled

    the lbk is vented by the lid so there is no back pressure.. you will have a layer of co2 resting on top of the beer. stirring gently will disturb the co2 layer a bit but if it wasnt quite done fermenting, more co2 will blanket the top as it picks up fermentation again. be advised that if you never had a saison you will likely be in for a totally new experience. my first was like wow... this is freaky. it had a yeasty funk, pear, apple, perfume, floral and more funk. it was really different from your typical beer. for the lbk i would go with dry yeast belle saison. pitch slightly warm. put the fermenter in an igloo cooler without any additional heat for a day at ambient room temp. let it get started. after a day toss a couple hot water bottles into the cooler and close the lid. watch the temps and try to keep them around 74f-76f ambient. let it ferment at about 74ish for 2 weeks. on week 3 move the cooler to a place where the ambient temp hits about 80f if you want and let it go. at the end of week 3 i would be shocked if your fg was not 1.01 or lower. usually i get about 1.006 by bumping up the temp in the last week you encourage the yeast to finish up and clean house. every time i use it, the fermentation is slow and steady. this yeast is typically a dainty eater... not a lot of krausen. not very violent. . . and it has always consumed practically everything one can throw at it sugar-wise. i use 5 gallon buckets to ferment. for me i can put the bucket in a plastic clothes hamper and fill it with enough water to almost reach the wort level. i then drop in an aquarium heater. after a day at ambient i fire up the heater on a timer... so many hours on... some time off... cycle repeatedly.. and my temps get up to 72-76f. i use a timer to save electricity. dont give up on saisons.. just try another yeast. even if this batch comes out 'weird' you can still drink it .. just add a tablespoon of Tang Orange powder to your glass when you go to drink it. :) that's what i did with my really awful pumpkin weis when i first got started brewing. i refuse to waste alcohol. yeah it sounds bad but...
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    Newbie needs brew plan confirmation

    looks like you made beer dude. welcome aboard. remember not to judge a beer by your samples. they mature with time.
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