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Recently started a batch of Sir Kenneth Blonde Ale in a FastFerment.  Pitched the supplied Safale US-05 yeast into wart that was within specified fermenting temp range.  No evidence of any fermentation, never mind "high krausen".  E-mail MrBeer and they sent me a new packet of Safale US-05 that I pitched 9 days after first pitch (on June 4).  Still no evidence of fermentation.  I've brewed over 80 batches of MrBeer and have never have had this happen before.  I'm going to bottle it next week and see what happens.  Any thoughts on this?

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10 hours ago, scouterbill said:

Is there any trub on the bottom of the fermenter? Krausen isn't the only sign of fermentation. 

 

This.  I've had two or three batches where the only visible sign that the yeast were doing their thang was trub at the bottom of the LBK.

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On 6/17/2018 at 6:20 AM, RickBeer said:

Problem is you pitched into wart, not wort....  😉

Oh....gee.  All these years, I've been bottling warts.  That could explain the odd flavor I guess.  😅   Note to self: READ carefully before hitting "submit"!

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On 6/16/2018 at 10:34 PM, Cato said:

Do you have a hydrometer to check the gravity?

Good thought.  I do and I will.  Never liked using one but in this case, I'll make an exception.

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On 6/16/2018 at 10:02 PM, scouterbill said:

Is there any trub on the bottom of the fermenter? Krausen isn't the only sign of fermentation. 

Yes, there has been plenty of trub accumulating in the collection jar at the bottom.  So perhaps the fermentation did take place.  I was was concerned because I never saw any sign of gas bubbles in the air lock as was always the case in previous batches.  Will be bottling later this week and see how it turns out. 

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1 hour ago, greyhound said:

Yes, there has been plenty of trub accumulating in the collection jar at the bottom.  So perhaps the fermentation did take place.  I was was concerned because I never saw any sign of gas bubbles in the air lock as was always the case in previous batches.  Will be bottling later this week and see how it turns out. 

If there isn't a perfect seal, there won't be gas bubbles in the airlock.

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Frustrating update...  this morning I decided to bottle.  As mentioned, I am using a FastFerment.  With valve shut, while disconnecting the threaded union at the bottom that holds the trub collection jar, beer started flowing.  No matter what I did I couldn't correct it.  Lost the entire batch.  The ball valve bottom seal threaded seat had turned loose as I was unscrewing the union and I couldn't get it tightened enough with my fingers to correct it.  Not being familiar with the FastFerment, I didn't realize until subsequently visiting one of their cleaning videos that the ball handle can be pulled off and there are "nubs" on the handle that can be used to turn the seal seal.  Had I known that, I likely could have tightened the seat through the beer flow and only lost a portion of the batch.  Don't know why this came loose.  This batch was my third with the FastFerment.  Not sure I'm going to like the FastFerment method vs. LBK....  Not giving up yet.  

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in case nobody mentioned ...  airlock activity is not a reliable sign of fermentation. since krausen can come and go so fast you might miss it, always check the bottom for trub. no trub? no fermentation. trub? it's all good.

 

i'm not into fancy shmancy fermenter contraptions but sorry for your loss.  i use buckets that i rig the lid for a plastic pipe elbow and a hose for blowoff. the only problem i occasionally get with a bucket is when krausen clogs the airlock hole and tries to blow the lid off.

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On 6/20/2018 at 10:21 AM, greyhound said:

Frustrating update...  this morning I decided to bottle.  As mentioned, I am using a FastFerment.  With valve shut, while disconnecting the threaded union at the bottom that holds the trub collection jar, beer started flowing.  No matter what I did I couldn't correct it.  Lost the entire batch.  The ball valve bottom seal threaded seat had turned loose as I was unscrewing the union and I couldn't get it tightened enough with my fingers to correct it.  Not being familiar with the FastFerment, I didn't realize until subsequently visiting one of their cleaning videos that the ball handle can be pulled off and there are "nubs" on the handle that can be used to turn the seal seal.  Had I known that, I likely could have tightened the seat through the beer flow and only lost a portion of the batch.  Don't know why this came loose.  This batch was my third with the FastFerment.  Not sure I'm going to like the FastFerment method vs. LBK....  Not giving up yet.  

 

Post script.  My wife said the day following my misadventure "couldn't you have have sanitized a large pot and captured most of the brew and then transferred it to bottles"???  Hmmm..  Yes... I think that would have worked.  I was able to shut off the flow but could open the valve again without losing control of it.  But placing a large pot under the outlet and draining the fermenter makes sense - now...  (she also said "you weren't  willing to listen to suggestions and were swearing a lot at the time so I knew it was a lost cause to suggest a solution because you weren't receptive)"...  I hate it when she's right - which is most of the time.  😒

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7 minutes ago, greyhound said:

 

Post script.  My wife said the day following my misadventure "couldn't you have have sanitized a large pot and captured most of the brew and then transferred it to bottles"???  Hmmm..  Yes... I think that would have worked.  I was able to shut off the flow but could open the valve again without losing control of it.  But placing a large pot under the outlet and draining the fermenter makes sense - now...  (she also said "you weren't  willing to listen to suggestions and were swearing a lot at the time so I knew it was a lost cause to suggest a solution because you weren't receptive)"...  I hate it when she's right - which is most of the time.  😒

 

Been there done that!  It sounds like my wife and your wife went to the same How to Deal With Husbands seminar.  :) :)

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8 minutes ago, Shrike said:

 

Been there done that!  It sounds like my wife and your wife went to the same How to Deal With Husbands seminar.  :) :)

 

 

:DIt's been 49 years for us together now - and sadly - I'm STILL learning "how to communicate like an adult"...

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On 6/21/2018 at 12:07 AM, zorak1066 said:

in case nobody mentioned ...  airlock activity is not a reliable sign of fermentation. since krausen can come and go so fast you might miss it, always check the bottom for trub. no trub? no fermentation. trub? it's all good.

 

i'm not into fancy shmancy fermenter contraptions but sorry for your loss.  i use buckets that i rig the lid for a plastic pipe elbow and a hose for blowoff. the only problem i occasionally get with a bucket is when krausen clogs the airlock hole and tries to blow the lid off.

That makes me feel better about my batch. After I bottle i had a beige/ tan colored trub at the bottom. no film on the top and a flat beer taste. it actually smelled pretty decent.

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