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Thanks yank, I would have saved a lot of guys a lot of time had i had this two weeks ago. I think I had a question on each point you made!

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c_s_stanley wrote:

I vote that one of the mods make this a sticky at the top.

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Take a look in the No Post Post to see a possible update. Might as well refine this before it's officeal...I have just updated the post on this page at 2:47pm central time.. you might want to look again... sroll up.

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With being a great Nong comes great responsibility. He is da man that YD. Pulled my butt outta the fire a few times.

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Heed the Words of the Nongs, lest there be Chaos in the Fermenter.

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The list is very good YD but you might want to explain just how many brews you made and how much fun you had while you learned all those tricks were indeed true. Have fun and brew hoppy.

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Nice list, Dag.

But you forgot........no, it's there.
You failed to mention..........ok, you did get that.
You didn't include..........nope, just saw it.


You're not making this easy. :P

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you think that's bad? I just re-editied again.. I thought of something else.

oh, and as a side note: we were talking some time back about putting all that we've brewed in our signature area. I said I didn't want to take up 3 pages to list it. It would be four now. Just know I love brewing beer, and I like to help as much as possible.

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yankeedag wrote:


oh, and as a side note: we were talking some time back about putting all that we've brewed in our signature area. I said I didn't want to take up 3 pages to list it. It would be four now. Just know I love brewing beer, and I like to help as much as possible.


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yankeedag wrote:

fixed.
looks like I need to add the "boil time explanation" bit. tomorrow.


The graph that's been floating around is very helpful to me as a Newbie. I'm making this post a "favorite" of mine and having that along with the explanation would be great.

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FrozenInTime wrote:

A couple more if interested. Wife says I'm a pain, I used to be a copywrite editor of sorts. Just trying to help, not hinder.


Some simple guied lines:

not ALL beers will have a lot of Krause

yeast and other objects out of suspention ,

alcoho level will go up
B)

I know the feeling. I majored in Journalism in college and worked as a reporter for a couple of years. Catching spelling errors comes a little too natural for me. :blush:

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slykryck wrote:

yankeedag wrote:

fixed.
looks like I need to add the "boil time explanation" bit. tomorrow.


The graph that's been floating around is very helpful to me as a Newbie. I'm making this post a "favorite" of mine and having that along with the explanation would be great.

Here is another great thread to bookmark. It has the graph you are speaking of, as well as several others...

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swenocha wrote:

slykryck wrote:

yankeedag wrote:

fixed.
looks like I need to add the "boil time explanation" bit. tomorrow.


The graph that's been floating around is very helpful to me as a Newbie. I'm making this post a "favorite" of mine and having that along with the explanation would be great.

Here is another great thread to bookmark. It has the graph you are speaking of, as well as several others...


If high school teachers cared this much about students, graduation rates would sky rocket....Or maybe its that this subject is so much more interesting than anything taught in high school.

Either way, all the vets on the forum are a huge help.

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ok thank you very much for the help. Please go back and see how the update looks. (sorry for making you go all the way back to page one on this.)

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this is a great thread........ better than the instructions that comes with it :)

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not to picky at all.

updates added. and a small modification. There is another section I want to add, but I'm still working on it. ALL FEEDBACK is appreciated.

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Looks pretty good to me. Way to go, u da man!

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Shit Nong, this seems kind of like a last word. You better not be planning on passing into the ether after your number 10,000. We'll haunt you, ya know. ;)

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What I'm trying to do is gather all the answeres to questions that come up in one little spot. To let the Noobz know that we've been there, done that, and what to expect. Once it gets to a point where I think I've covered all the "common" bugabooz, I'll humbly ask EricG if they would be willing to pop it up with the other permanent postings. As far as fading out after my 10k post... I never know if I'm gonna be taken out by a Coors Light Truck driven by Kenney....

...But then, most "FAQ" post always seem a little on the 'Tard side.
FAQ: If I stick my pencile in a sharpener, will my socks roll up.
Answer: No, in most cases your zipper will rust. Try drinking lots of water just before bed.

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added more to the simple guide. Might wanna give it a perv...(this stupid thing is starting to turn into a book)

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Great Guide Yankee

There is also a different between UME and LME. Both are Liquid Malt Extracts. I believe UME is a Mr Beer Term to clarify the difference between it and the hopped version

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StarRaptor, good call. But I think the UME's are pretty much the same as the LME, only in smaller portions, ment to compliment the MB HME's. My biggest fear over this whole thing is interjecting Too Much Information too soon. That's not to say I don't want to address things, but as a new brewer perv's thru the list, there is a bunch of new information tweeking their head. Their heads hurt already. So I'm just wanting to give them a small smack to the head.

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Still looking good! Though one little thing: when you're talking about boiling the hops, the third section should mention that it's talking about aroma. The graph did, but the text doesn't.

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So, if I understand tip #10, you can boil hops for either bitterness, flavor or aroma, but not more than one of those?

Great post - I gained quite a bit of info from it.... Thanks.

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yankeedag wrote:

That is why there are multiple additions of the Hops during the boil.

Someone post the hops boiling graph. That graph explains so much in such a small graph.

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yankeedag wrote:

ok, I posted the chart in it. Scroll up to the post

Cool thanks. I think the graph along with the words helps to make more sense to someone just reading about boiling hops.

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skydvr wrote:

So, if I understand tip #10, you can boil hops for either bitterness, flavor or aroma, but not more than one of those?

Great post - I gained quite a bit of info from it.... Thanks.

As you can see from the graph yankeedag posted, there's a curve for each, so when you boil for different times, you can get a combination of bitterness, flavor and aroma.

You get some bitterness boiling even for a short time, and you get more as the time goes on.

I'll sometimes take a bit of a shortcut and do two boils, one for 30 minutes (where flavor and bitterness intersect) and one for 15 minutes (where flavor and aroma intersect).

For more information on hops listen to the Mr Beer Radio shows on hops:

Part 1
Part 2

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I can't believe I ever missed this thread! (It's been a rough couple weeks of being sick)
Nice topic dag!


Dag, since you're so open to editorial criticism...you might want to change lesions to lessons! :laugh:
yankeedag wrote: (at the very end of his non-fictional epic novel)

...All this is lesions learned by many. Take this information for what it is worth. Learn from others, or re-invent the wheel on your own. It’s YOUR Beer.


Also, for further reading (it’s also in a updated book form:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071205194030/www.howtobrew.com/intro.html

Unless you've been hurting yourself from brewing and causing lesions! :blink: :laugh: ;)

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I have a question on boiling. The Mr. Beer directions say to bring water to a boil, then turn off and add all ingredients. My next batch will have hops, should I boil the HME and UME with the hops? I know your guideline gave times for hop boils, but the basic directions don't give any instruction on it. I am going to make the Full Moon Marzen next.

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Fio534 wrote:

I have a question on boiling. The Mr. Beer directions say to bring water to a boil, then turn off and add all ingredients. My next batch will have hops, should I boil the HME and UME with the hops? I know your guideline gave times for hop boils, but the basic directions don't give any instruction on it. I am going to make the Full Moon Marzen next.

You can boil UME to facilitate a hop boil schedule. But do not boil HME. HME already has hops boiled to spec and if you boil the HME further, you will change the hop profile.

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yankeedag wrote:

...DME: Dry Malt Extract [can be used/boiked for hop addition, but must go thrugh a "Hot Break" Boil first]...

yankeedag wrote:

...boiked...

Boik? Isn't that the noise made when Moe pokes Curly's eyes? :laugh:

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nah, that's the noise the spoon makes with the pot boils over and you drop your spoon to life the boiling pot.

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If you're planning to do a hop boil with UME/DME, what is the process?

Bring water to boil, add DME and hops, boil for appropriate time?

Or add DME to (non-boiling) water, THEN bring to boil, add hops and boil for appropriate time?

Does it matter?

Thanks...

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I wouldn't add DME to boiling water - clump city. I add my DME to the water while it is heating up (all at once). Then I whip the crap out of it with a whisk. It breaks down rather quickly. Bring it to boil. Once you're past the hot break, start your hop introductions per schedule.

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Thanks... And if I understand "hot break" - it happens sometime *after* the start of the boil, and is where a foam will rise from the wort.

When that foam stops being produced, and you're back to your typical rolling boil is "after the hot break", and when you add hops and start timing the boil?

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The DME hot break happense at about 211*212*F. I've taken to holding the temp at 210*F for about 10 min. and allowing it to gently do a hot break. You'll see that during this process, the color goes from a creamy color to the darker clear color.
I will add the DME to the water while it's still cold. As it heats up, I gently stir and the clumps dissolve.
Once the hot break has happened, then you may start your hop boils.

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updated it today... might want to catch up on it. I've added bottles and how a Hot Break happens.

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Awesome post, Great info... Thank you yankeedag !!

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Bump... new additions by request. ok you spelling beez... time to comb over the new stuff... I'm sure I've buggared the engrish rangerige again.

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added a section for priming... need to perv it out and make sure I didn't buggar something up.

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yankeedag wrote:

added a section for priming... need to perv it out and make sure I didn't buggar something up.

I haven't read it in a long time. It's a good read with a lot of good information.

I have some minor corrections to suggest. Nothing in terms of facts, style or approach. Just grammar/spelling things (I used to teach English . . . ).

In the pictures
VERIFY your measruements!!
s/b measurements

In the section on brewing temperatures:
If you get the temperature too low, they yeast will go to sleep.

s/b the yeast will go to sleep.

Under Bottles:
Why is there air..no, that's someone elses thing..never mind.
s/b else's (and I remember when he came out with that routine).

generaly
s/b generally

Other types of Bottles/Plastic:
Root Beer bottles... cleant them with COLD WATER.
s/b clean them

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I thank you kind sir. I have made the corrections. As Always, if there is something that should be covered, and isn't, let me know. If someone wants to add something, as long as you are happy with me saying "from the BeerBorg" I will consider adding it, or summorize it, if it's too long.

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bpgreen wrote:


Under Bottles:
Why is there air..no, that's someone elses thing..never mind.
s/b else's (and I remember when he came out with that routine).

not to hijack, but I have the album on vinyl

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:borg: Welcome to the BeerBorg Information Center. you will be assimilated. resistance is quite futile:we have beer.

no worries. that's why it's here.

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YeashIdLikeABeer wrote:

Any chance you could rename this to "Things I should have read before brewing that first batch"? :pinch:

Too wordy.
How 'bout "NOW YA TELL ME!"

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well, I figure that most people won't find this until AFTER they get the kit and brew the first. Plus, nobody listens untill after their first batch is drank strait from the keg...

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I feel like some kind of freak. I actually waited 2-2-2 on my first batch.

Of course, I immediately went all "Mad Scientist" and started mixing thing and adding adjuncts, so maybe mine was just a different brand of newbie.

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FWIW, I went 2-2-2 as well. But then again I'm a rocket scientist, ever so slowly going mad; so following instructions to the letter to prove I could actually brew beer was step one. Step two, do something more difficult. Step three, go nuts.

Step three starts Saturday. :woohoo:

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We have updates added...
Hop profiles
Harvestable bottles
and our very own
Screwy's carb calculator.

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Hey YD, Awesome thread. Should have read this when I got back in to brewing earlier this year. I brewed quite a bit about 8 or 10 years ago and then made a couple bad batches (flat and/or foul) and just quit. As in QUIT for almost 10 years. These forums probably didn’t exist then or maybe I would have stuck around… But I digress...

I do have a suggestion fer ya... Somewhere near the top (after your astute mission statement) I think you could add more about the actual brewing process. You mention sanitizing and laying out ingredients, and then jump right to cooling the wort. Perhaps a few brief tips about hops, spices, adjuncts, etc. As in, “There are two ways to add additional hops: boiling and dry hopping (and while we’re at it, here is why you would add hops…).” And then continuing, “Mr. Beer says to remove from heat when it starts to boil, but what they really mean is, do not boil the HME. Not only is it OK to boil hops and some other ingredients, sometimes it is absolutely necessary…” You cover some of this later, but seems like it could be tweaked a bit or possibly rearranged.

I know some of this is kind of detailed, but certainly no more so than calculating CO2 levels, batch vs. bottle priming, and cold crashing, so it may warrant inclusion.

Thanks again for posting…
Tin Man

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