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Alabama house of representatives will vote on HB9 tomorrow ....Lega :stout: lize homebrewing in Alabama

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If you could see some of the political rants by a couple of these guys over brewing at home......Now you know why Alabama seems to lag behind in almost everything! Change is hard to get in Alabama. Oh well, Roll Damn Tide ! ! !

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"Underwood" post=343138 said:

If you could see some of the political rants by a couple of these guys over brewing at home......Now you know why Alabama seems to lag behind in almost everything! Change is hard to get in Alabama. Oh well, Roll Damn Tide ! ! !

Religious backing the preachers here in the bible belt rule, and it's hard to break their hold.Itr was like us gettin' the Sunday beer sales approved here in Ga last year. It was like pullin' teeth. Didn't bother me much if I wanted a beer on sunday Ala. is only a hop, skip and a jump down the road. They had Sunday sales since I got here in '83. ( I was stationed here in 77-78 but didn't know ala liquor laws then, if I wanted beer on sun. ft. benn. was a lot closer)

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I'm surprised that with all the crime and corruption involved in the home brew market that any state that has any concern for it's citizens would still be considering to legalize it.

Oh. Have I ever mentioned that sarcasm is my second language.

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History demonstrates ignorance on both sides of the isle. I'm not sure this bill has any chance of passage.

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"dbrowning" post=343325 said:

not the same bill

No, but it nicely shows the off planet attitudes and ignorance of some of your legislators. I think the point is that their arguments are so incomprehensibly stupid, it is unlikely that you could pound sense into them with a sledgehammer.

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"dbrowning" post=343325 said:

not the same bill

But are they the same legislators?

Buncha ill-informed morons.

I was gonna get on my soapbox, but I just don't have the energy right now. Besides, I'd only be preaching to the choir. But there are so many other issues and questions those responses in the video raise. I can only shake my head in disbelief and dismay.

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"oly" post=343469 said:

"dbrowning" post=343325 said:

not the same bill

No, but it nicely shows the off planet attitudes and ignorance of some of your legislators. I think the point is that their arguments are so incomprehensibly stupid, it is unlikely that you could pound sense into them with a sledgehammer.
But you might be able to buy it from them.

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"oly" post=343469 said:

No, but it nicely shows the off planet attitudes and ignorance of some of your legislators. I think the point is that their arguments are so incomprehensibly stupid, it is unlikely that you could pound sense into them with a sledgehammer.


"FedoraDave" post=343471 said:

But are they the same legislators?.....

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IN 1978 JIMMY CARTER and the U.S. CONGRESS passed a law permitting the production of BEER forpersonal or family use. THIS ALLOWED anyone in a 2adult household to legally BREW up to 200 gallons per calendar year.

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unfortunately the states have final say on what occurs with in their borders. i.e. Ga only allows 50 gal per household. regardless of the number of adults in said house. so in my house we have 3 adults partaking on 50 gal that works out to less than half a 12oz beer a day, each. a far cry fron the feds 200 gal a year.

this leads me to wonder. how the feds can now say thay states cannot legallize pot, just 'cause it aginst fed law, yet they can disobey fed law in this instance. things that make you go: hummm

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"Jim Johnson" post=353883 said:

unfortunately the states have final say on what occurs with in their borders.

Hold on. That's actually a good thing 99.99% of the time compared to having the feds get the final say.

"Jim Johnson" post=353883 said:


i.e. Ga only allows 50 gal per household. regardless of the number of adults in said house. so in my house we have 3 adults partaking on 50 gal that works out to less than half a 12oz beer a day, each. a far cry fron the feds 200 gal a year.

I have to wonder if they've ever charged any actual homebrewer (who wasn't selling) with exceeding that limit in GA or any state that has one (or the fed limit for that matter). I've worked in the court system all of my adult life and would think that they'd have one heck of a time proving the charge unless the brewer somehow told them (pssst, don't tell them) how many gallons they had brewed that year. I reckon that, when that bill was being considered, the gallons/household was put in there to satisfy some legislators/constituencies that they were doing something to limit it. It ends up being meaningless in practical terms.

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It will finally be legal to brew your own beer here in Mississippi on July, 1st.
FINALLY!

Last year Craft Brews with 7%+ abv was legal to sell in stores - and I have been doing some experimenting.

And last month, wine and liquor was available to the city in which I live in. The closest place was Alabama or Tennessee.

Look out 1900 A.D. , here we come........


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"BigFloyd" post=353892 said:

"Jim Johnson" post=353883 said:

unfortunately the states have final say on what occurs with in their borders.

Hold on. That's actually a good thing 99.99% of the time compared to having the feds get the final say.

"Jim Johnson" post=353883 said:


i.e. Ga only allows 50 gal per household. regardless of the number of adults in said house. so in my house we have 3 adults partaking on 50 gal that works out to less than half a 12oz beer a day, each. a far cry fron the feds 200 gal a year.

I have to wonder if they've ever charged any actual homebrewer (who wasn't selling) with exceeding that limit in GA or any state that has one (or the fed limit for that matter). I've worked in the court system all of my adult life and would think that they'd have one heck of a time proving the charge unless the brewer somehow told them (pssst, don't tell them) how many gallons they had brewed that year. I reckon that, when that bill was being considered, the gallons/household was put in there to satisfy some legislators/constituencies that they were doing something to limit it. It ends up being meaningless in practical terms.

my unfortunately remark was because of statement made by TRIKE. pointing out things aren't that easy. i agree in principal about gettin' caught. however i would like to point out my lhbs keeps records by name. if they really wanted to play hardball, all it would take is 1 court order. then you better have the supplies to prove you ain't brewed with it. i also realize such a charge would be added later after, what ever reason led them to raid your house to start with. just an added little f you. having said all that please be aware mr. murphy is not an occasional visitor, he lives here. i must take him and his laws into account with everything i do. ;)

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First I will apologize ahead of time if I offend anyone.

I find it hard to believe that in this day and age ignorance is still this rampant. How could someone with a reasonable amount of education actually believe the trash that was coming out of their mouths? And to think these same folks vote on national laws just makes my stomach churn.

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"HazardousBrewer" post=353913 said:

First I will apologize ahead of time if I offend anyone.

I find it hard to believe that in this day and age ignorance is still this rampant. How could someone with a reasonable amount of education actually believe the trash that was coming out of their mouths? And to think these same folks vote on national laws just makes my stomach churn.

the beginnings of wisdom. all politicians are idiots and liars, living or dead, with out exception. anything they do in the end is to benifit them. they truly don't care about us except for the elections. as long as they run the press, and they do, you'll always think they are doing a good job.

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"TRIKE" post=353874 said:

IN 1978 JIMMY CARTER and the U.S. CONGRESS passed a law permitting the production of BEER forpersonal or family use. THIS ALLOWED anyone in a 2adult household to legally BREW up to 200 gallons per calendar year.

The bill signed into law gave the states authority to preside over home brew production. They have the final say in whether they want it to be legal or not.

Correction it is the 21st ammendment that gives the states authority to preside over laws concerning alcohal

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"Jim Johnson" post=353919 said:

"HazardousBrewer" post=353913 said:

First I will apologize ahead of time if I offend anyone.

I find it hard to believe that in this day and age ignorance is still this rampant. How could someone with a reasonable amount of education actually believe the trash that was coming out of their mouths? And to think these same folks vote on national laws just makes my stomach churn.

the beginnings of wisdom. all politicians are idiots and liars, living or dead, with out exception. anything they do in the end is to benifit them. they truly don't care about us except for the elections. as long as they run the press, and they do, you'll always think they are doing a good job.

It's not just that Jim. These people to me truly seem like idiots. And not just on a politician scale. Listening to these guys you'd think we still lived in colonial times.

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"HazardousBrewer" post=353927 said:

"Jim Johnson" post=353919 said:

"HazardousBrewer" post=353913 said:

First I will apologize ahead of time if I offend anyone.

I find it hard to believe that in this day and age ignorance is still this rampant. How could someone with a reasonable amount of education actually believe the trash that was coming out of their mouths? And to think these same folks vote on national laws just makes my stomach churn.

the beginnings of wisdom. all politicians are idiots and liars, living or dead, with out exception. anything they do in the end is to benifit them. they truly don't care about us except for the elections. as long as they run the press, and they do, you'll always think they are doing a good job.

It's not just that Jim. These people to me truly seem like idiots. And not just on a politician scale. Listening to these guys you'd think we still lived in colonial times.

they are idiots they spent time learning nothing but a poltitcal system. then they seem to think they're experts in everything. most of 'em probably have trouble spelling they're own name. when it finally dawned on me i stopped voting what difference does it make to me which crook is in office? anything they say is an out and out lie just to get elected. then nothing happens but them tryin to stay in office and get as rich as they can with out gettin' caught breakin the law. i won't get any kick backs and will get screwed just the same regardless as to who's in office. so what's the point? as long as they own the press they own the country.

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You're right man. I'll digress though as I have taken this post in another direction.

I hope Alabama does finally pass this law and join the other 49 states.

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"HazardousBrewer" post=353927 said:

It's not just that Jim. These people to me truly seem like idiots. And not just on a politician scale. Listening to these guys you'd think we still lived in colonial times.

Actually, we had a great deal more freedom in colonial times. The modern day political class acts so far outside the boundaries of their legitimate mandate that our founders would wonder why they even bothered.

Pretty amazing that an LHBS would have to keep sales records of individual customers, but anyone interested in investigating a homebrewer could always be truthfully told that malted grains and malt extract make awesome bread and additions to milkshakes, among other things. Without one gallon over the limit sitting there, no one has any possible way to prove how much you've brewed.

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"oly" post=355896 said:

Actually, we had a great deal more freedom in colonial times. The modern day political class acts so far outside the boundaries of their legitimate mandate that our founders would wonder why they even bothered.

Exactly.

Unfortunately, the sad state of the political class reflects the majority of the voters' willingness to give up more and more of those freedoms in exchange for government that will give them something. There are still some elected officials who are genuinely interested in restoring/preserving freedom and are respectful of the Constitution, but they are, unfortunately, few and far between.

Funny thing is, looking at the Alabama debate on this issue, that a great many of the home brewers I know around here work in law enforcement or some other part of the justice system. I'm having a bunch of those guys over to the house tomorrow morning to put on an informal seminar for new brewers. B)

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." - Margaret Thatcher

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"BigFloyd" post=356172 said:

"oly" post=355896 said:

Actually, we had a great deal more freedom in colonial times. The modern day political class acts so far outside the boundaries of their legitimate mandate that our founders would wonder why they even bothered.

Exactly.

Unfortunately, the sad state of the political class reflects the majority of the voters' willingness to give up more and more of those freedoms in exchange for government that will give them something. There are still some elected officials who are genuinely interested in restoring/preserving freedom and are respectful of the Constitution, but they are, unfortunately, few and far between.

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." - Margaret Thatcher

It's the sad state of our youth. If you want the government to take care of you go live in a communist country. Otherwise get off your asses and earn it.

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"HazardousBrewer" post=356173 said:

"BigFloyd" post=356172 said:

"oly" post=355896 said:

Actually, we had a great deal more freedom in colonial times. The modern day political class acts so far outside the boundaries of their legitimate mandate that our founders would wonder why they even bothered.

Exactly.

Unfortunately, the sad state of the political class reflects the majority of the voters' willingness to give up more and more of those freedoms in exchange for government that will give them something. There are still some elected officials who are genuinely interested in restoring/preserving freedom and are respectful of the Constitution, but they are, unfortunately, few and far between.

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." - Margaret Thatcher

It's the sad state of our youth. If you want the government to take care of you go live in a communist country. Otherwise get off your asses and earn it.

amen

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Resurrecting this thread.

The House of Representatives voted 58-33 On April 2nd for a bill to make it legal to brew beer at home in Alabama.

Rep. Mac McCutcheon narrowly fought off, with a 40-36 vote, an attempt to amend the bill and require home brewers to register with their local sheriff.
The bill now moves to the Alabama Senate.

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"HazardousBrewer" post=358429 said:

Resurrecting this thread.

The House of Representatives voted 58-33 On April 2nd for a bill to make it legal to brew beer at home in Alabama.

Rep. Mac McCutcheon narrowly fought off, with a 40-36 vote, an attempt to amend the bill and require home brewers to register with their local sheriff.
The bill now moves to the Alabama Senate.

Dry county residents will still be banned

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"HazardousBrewer" post=358429 said:

Resurrecting this thread.

The House of Representatives voted 58-33 On April 2nd for a bill to make it legal to brew beer at home in Alabama.

Rep. Mac McCutcheon narrowly fought off, with a 40-36 vote, an attempt to amend the bill and require home brewers to register with their local sheriff.
The bill now moves to the Alabama Senate.

What a travesty. What is the world coming to? People brewing their own beer at home?! What will be next? LEGALIZED CRACK?!!

Actually this hobby is kind of addictive...

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"Sundance" post=358465 said:

"HazardousBrewer" post=358429 said:

Resurrecting this thread.

The House of Representatives voted 58-33 On April 2nd for a bill to make it legal to brew beer at home in Alabama.

Rep. Mac McCutcheon narrowly fought off, with a 40-36 vote, an attempt to amend the bill and require home brewers to register with their local sheriff.
The bill now moves to the Alabama Senate.

What a travesty. What is the world coming to? People brewing their own beer at home?! What will be next? LEGALIZED CRACK?!!

Actually this hobby is kind of addictive...

Its already legal in some parts of Alabama for 2 concenting adults to have sexual relations

This place is going to hell

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"dbrowning" post=358470 said:

"Sundance" post=358465 said:

"HazardousBrewer" post=358429 said:

Resurrecting this thread.

The House of Representatives voted 58-33 On April 2nd for a bill to make it legal to brew beer at home in Alabama.

Rep. Mac McCutcheon narrowly fought off, with a 40-36 vote, an attempt to amend the bill and require home brewers to register with their local sheriff.
The bill now moves to the Alabama Senate.

What a travesty. What is the world coming to? People brewing their own beer at home?! What will be next? LEGALIZED CRACK?!!

Actually this hobby is kind of addictive...

Its already legal in some parts of Alabama for 2 concenting adults to have sexual relations

This place is going to hell

might as well in Georiga. huh?

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"dbrowning" post=358470 said:

Its already legal in some parts of Alabama for 2 concenting adults to have sexual relations

This place is going to hell

Hey. I thought y'all had to go across the border for that. :banana:

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"Sundance" post=358465 said:

"HazardousBrewer" post=358429 said:

Resurrecting this thread.

The House of Representatives voted 58-33 On April 2nd for a bill to make it legal to brew beer at home in Alabama.

Rep. Mac McCutcheon narrowly fought off, with a 40-36 vote, an attempt to amend the bill and require home brewers to register with their local sheriff.
The bill now moves to the Alabama Senate.

What a travesty. What is the world coming to? People brewing their own beer at home?! What will be next? LEGALIZED CRACK?!!

Actually this hobby is kind of addictive...

If you all are interested in how it went, hop on over to BasicBrewing.com and give a listen to the Alabama House of Representatives talk about it.

I apologize in advance but I find it hard to believe there are still people in this day and age who think like many of them do.

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