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Hey gents, just wanted to introduce myself and share what I have experienced so far.

My name is Jesse and I received my Mr.Beer Kit from Santa this past Christmas.

- I knew we were going to be moving at the end of January, beginning of February so I did not want to start right away. I Started my first batch ( Classic American Light) February 13.

- I am sure I am not the first, but even after reading, re-reading, and reading instructions again, I felt like I was messing up every step along the way.

- The spigot, I do believe has given me the most problems,  I had to retest it for leaks 3 different times because I just couldn't seem to get it tight enough.

- Not sure if it matters, but I feel like I let my wort sit for too long before adding it to my LBK. It looked like it was starting to clump up, but spread back out after mixing it again.

- I do think I messed up by not having refrigerated water to top off the LBK. I just used the cold water out of the faucet. 

- After adding everything and screwing on the lid, the stick on thermometer it came with took a few hours to turn into a check mark. I bought a 2nd thermometer  to set in the box with the     LBK which has been right at 70 the whole time. 

- 2 days later, my spigot seems to be properly holding, temperature is holding at 70, but for some reason I still feel like I've done something wrong. Probably just Newbie Jitters.

 

I'll be sure to keep everyone updated, it looks like March 6 is my bottling date.

 

Please share any suggestions

 

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Make sure you go to this post and be sure to read all the links at the bottom. Welcome to your new hobby.

 

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Welcome. Don't give up even if your first beer is not great. You are going to learn a ton here. Use that advice to better your skills each time. You are going to have fun with this and produce something that you and others will enjoy.

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Welcome. If your first brew is anything like mine was it will be drinkable but not fantastic. But it has got better.

Leaks at spigot, yes, several folks including me have had that. Whatever you did to fix it, do the same thing again :-).

If you had the booster in the kit, yes it will clump, DME too even stirring constantly it takes a while to dissolve.  I find it works best to add the dry ingredients to cold water then increase the temp stirring all the time to prevent burning. When boiling and dissolved, take it off the heat and add the liquid extract.

I get the LBK ready first - other than adding the cold water (I use faucet water - if you can drink it,  it is fine for beer)  to it,  then I can add the hot wort right away.

Better to add the hot wort to the LBK, then let it cool a bit (say 68 to 85) with the lid on before adding yeast than letting the wort concentrate stand out to cool, I think, before adding to LBK. Cooper's says better to add the yeast as soon as the temp can be tolerated (< 90)  to protect the wort from infection. The beer will be better fermenting cooler than 70  higher anyway (mid 60's is good for clean beer), so don't worry about keeping it warm. If too warm if it can get a cidery taste.

Different yeasts work better with different treatments (e.g. lager or Belgians), but this is good for Mr B yeast or standard ale yeasts.

 

Still you won't be sure until you find what works for you. I think every one here has to experiment a bit before they find what they like in terms of bpth beer and personalized brewing process.

 

Read all Rick Beer's links at bottom of his posts for good results :-D.

 

 

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Welcome! I think i can say for all of us (Since we all have been where you are)..... Its your first batch... at best it will be meh.. drinkable. As you learn and improve on how you do the process, it will get better. Patience is key. Read, read, read, take notes, ask questions, we are here to help, then read, read, read again. Also.. i would nudge that temp down to about 65*F for better results. 

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Welcome to the hobby.  Read, read and read some more.  My first batch was, well, drinkable beer not great.  Second batch outstanding.  There is a learning curve and second guessing yourself is normal.  In the end, relax and enjoy your hobby and your beer.  Oh yeah, read some more.

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Yesterday was the end of my first week of fermentation. I do not have a hydrometer yet, that will be on the list of things i need get. But my question is, Should I take a sample each week to taste and look how things are going?

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No.  You should wait 21 days and then bottle (or cold crash if you'd like).


Taking a taste every week simply wastes beer.

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41 minutes ago, MOODY said:

Yesterday was the end of my first week of fermentation. I do not have a hydrometer yet, that will be on the list of things i need get. But my question is, Should I take a sample each week to taste and look how things are going?

Brewing takes time and patience.  It is difficult but rewarding in the end. 

Wait until it is time to bottle and then taste what you have done.

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Welcome!  I was the same way with my first brew.  Lots of errors but it came out most drinkable. If you have questions, post them here and you will get lots of answers and tons of suggestions and most will be very good.  Work on basic technique for you first couple brew.  The hobby's addictive (I have only been doing it for a tad over 6 months and am now on brew #16! So Prosit! Each brew will be unique Because you brewed it!

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in regards to the spigot, i had to take a knife and clean the hole that was drilled in the lbk. it had a big tab of plastic on it. once i smoothed the hole out there was no prob. brew on!

 

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re new brewer jitters... most if not all of us have been there. really want to get it right. you want to enjoy the hobby but you dont want to make mistakes.  some of us obsess like first time parents on our first beers. we rush to the fermenter every 5 minutes and freak out at everything we see. 

 

common freak outs:  omg it's not doing anything! i mean i pitched the yeast 2 hours ago and it's just sitting there! i mustve killed the yeast!  - lol. that was me. yeast can take a day or 2 to get started. it's not uncommon for yeast to start off slow, especially if you didnt give them any o2 at the start. or if they arent happy with the temps.

 

omg i see foam! it must be an infection!  - foam on top is krausen.  krausen is an old german word for 'hey! i'm making beer!' or something. foam on top = good.

 

omg there's a layer of sludge on the bottom! i mustve killed the yeast! - sludge on bottom is 'trub', another old german word that means 'see i told you i was making beer'.. or something.

 

omg i used whirlfloc and now it looks like my fermenter is full of sea weed! - me again.  whirlfloc is made from sea weed or irish moss more correctly. when it first expands to trap proteins and such before it settles out, it can look pretty gross.

 

omg i took a sample from the spigot and it tastes like bread! it must be an infection! -  no. you are sampling trub. trub is yeast poop, lazy or dead yeast cells, fats, proteins, etc. prop up the spigot end a little with a couple cd cases and trub will settle out behind the spigot. not where it can flow out.

 

omg i dropped a piece of label from a can in my wort! - it happens. you will likely be fine. if you want you can either remove the labels ahead of time on brew day or just give the can a quick dunk in sanitizer before you open it.  i never worried about it. just use a sanitized spoon to fish the label out.

 

etc.  once yeast get going they are very tough and will aggressively defend their turf against intruders like bacteria, mold, other yeasts.  you can still get these infections but healthy yeast that are happy will likely keep these things away.  use proper sanitation and care and youre golden.

 

so relax. ask questions. try to not panic.  be orderly and take care while brewing. limit distractions. keep the dog and cat out of your brewing area. keep the kids out.

follow instructions.. take your time.  wait til youre done with brew day THEN have a beer.

 

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If you want to be obsessive. If you want to freak out I suggest trying the following. If course this is assuming you already read the directions three times. Compared the directions against those printed on the label. And have finally gotten yourself mentally prepared and ready to begin.

DO IT! BREW LIKE YOU'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE! 

Now for the obsessive part. Sit down and write notes to yourself. List everything you thought you were doing wrong. List everything you KNOW you did wrong (you forgot to sanitize your thermometer when you checked the wort before pitching your yeast). Document the wort temperature when you pitched the yeast (maybe you forgot you wanted to do that. Add that to your list of mistakes.) Document the room temperature where you placed your LBK to perv on. Document any times you were distracted by your wife, your kids, your dog wanting to be let out, your cat knocking your spoon off the counter, that phone call from Mom... Then pour yourself a glass of your favorite brew and move your chair closer to the LBK so you can get a better look, you perv,

Why?

Because, the next time you brew that recipe all of those factors will be different. Your knowledge of the process will be better. The yeast will react differently. Etc. Your goals are to make a better tasting brew than the first, to make a brew that tastes as great as the one your buddies consumed watching the game. Try to recreate that mistake riddled, overheated, oxygenated, skunked brew your family loved and gave a name to as they dreamed about your future brew pub.

Laugh obsessively about how you acted when you first gave yourself to this addiction.

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another thing you can do when you get the brewing bug... become 'that guy' who can only talk for hours about yeast , beer and brewing.  that was me.  a colleague at work made the mistake of telling me he was into beer one day.  for over a year i would corner him to go on and on about my latest brewing exploits, how wonderful yeast are, etc. not everyone shares your obsession. they just want free beer.  another reason i like this forum... you can come here and talk for hours about brewing and no one will look at you like you are some kind of preachy weirdo or something.

 

yep i can look back and laugh. oh and for the record? my kind of chimay red not quite clone came out great. after only 1 month in the bottle it has a lovely banana ester, a nice heaviness that i like, a light hoppy presence....   was it worth the extra work to do a decoction mash? i think so.  i'm trying to be good and keep my hands off them. ive only had 5 bottles in one month..  32 left in the cooler.   hope to see how going more than 2 months impacts the flavor. must....resist.... 

 

incidentally danstar abbaye yeast does a good job. first time using it. i kept the temp at over 72f for most of the first 2 weeks and it makes fairly strong banana notes. 

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I have started thinking about down the road after I bottle this 1st brew. I will most likely be using the 2gal LBK for my first few brews before moving on to a 5gal system. But my question has to do with the number of bottles you typically keep on hand (Obviously, you can never have to much beer). .But sticking with the three week rotation, it looks like I will be starting my 4th batch before I will be able to start re using bottles?? 

 

2/13- 1st Ferment

3/6 - 1st Bottle, 2nd Ferment

3/27- 1st Condition, 2nd Bottle, 3rd Ferment

4/17- 24-12oz bottles ready to drink, 2nd Condition, 3rd Bottle, 4th Ferment 

and by the time 5/8 rolls around, I am sure I will have finished 24 bottles

 

So it looks like at least 72?- 12oz bottles are needed 

 

How long do you typically wait before starting another brew?

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Your question has no right answer, because it depends on consumption.  I know someone that brews every weekend, because he drinks 4-6 beers per day.  I drink 4-6 beers per week...

 

By the way, just because you want 5 gallons doesn't mean you can't use the LBKs.  I brew 5 gallons and put 2.5 gallons in each LBK.  1/2 the weight to carry.  As someone once told me, you can ferment in the back of a toilet.  

 

Make your schedule easier, eliminate the "condition step".  Just go 4 - 6 weeks from bottling for both carbonating and conditioning.  

 

From a standard Mr. Beer recipe, if you cold crash, you will get around 20 - 22 12 oz bottles at most.  2.13 gallons = 272.64 oz / 12 = 22.72, minus the trub.  

 

You have to figure out your consumption, then figure out how the brewing cycle fits into that.  At first, you'll be scrambling for bottles.  You'll be drinking at 4 weeks instead of going 6 weeks or longer.  You'll put beer in the fridge at 4 weeks, then at 6 weeks pulling out 3 bottles that you haven't drank yet and putting in 3 bottles that have aged 2 more weeks at room temp.  Then, as you build your pipeline you won't worry about anything.


If you're using glass flip top bottles (don't use screw top), and you're in a state with a deposit law, run an ad in Craigslist offering to meet people in the grocery store parking lot and buy their bottles from them, a case or more only (to make the trip worth it).  They don't have to stand at the stupid machine, and you get 24 bottles for minimal cost. 

 

I initially bought more PET bottles, then switched to glass and a bench capper, and got many cases of bottles from Craigslist.  In fact, last year I ended up returning a bunch of the ones I hadn't yet prepped to the store for deposit as I was never going to use them.

 

At one point, I had 15 different beers in the frig with a total of around 24 cases made. I'm down to around 10 cases now, and not brewing because the inventory is getting old.  And, I have enough bottles - glass and PET - to have 29 cases of beer.  

 

Oh, and this is what a pipeline looks like...

 

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1 hour ago, MOODY said:

How long do you typically wait before starting another brew?

Under perfect conditions, until a conical is open and ready to be filled. :)

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That looks great! I do believe my wife will be a little upset if my house stock became that large. As of now, the goal is to get to where I do not have to buy commercial beer anymore. I still need to get a beer fridge before I start on my stock pile.

When i got the Mr.Beer LBK, I also got a 5gal kit from Widwest Supplies. After checking everything out, i decided its best to leave this kit alone until i get the hang of things. (That kit came with a few more toys lolz)

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Welcome!

I got started in this hobby January 2017, slowly acquired 3 LBKs. The sheet on the fridge shows I have mixed 25 MB recipes (several twice). I drink 6-9 (12 oz) homebrews/week.

  I use the 740 ml bottles but figuring "a beer" is 12oz, using 3 LBKs As of this morning I have managed to build 122 refrigerated, 128 conditioning, 72 carbonating with 4.5 gallons fermenting. I don't even want to talk about the money.  :lol:  I did have to buy a basement fridge and some racks.

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2 hours ago, MOODY said:

I have started thinking about down the road after I bottle this 1st brew. I will most likely be using the 2gal LBK for my first few brews before moving on to a 5gal system. But my question has to do with the number of bottles you typically keep on hand (Obviously, you can never have to much beer). .But sticking with the three week rotation, it looks like I will be starting my 4th batch before I will be able to start re using bottles?? 

 

2/13- 1st Ferment

3/6 - 1st Bottle, 2nd Ferment

3/27- 1st Condition, 2nd Bottle, 3rd Ferment

4/17- 24-12oz bottles ready to drink, 2nd Condition, 3rd Bottle, 4th Ferment 

and by the time 5/8 rolls around, I am sure I will have finished 24 bottles

 

So it looks like at least 72?- 12oz bottles are needed 

 

How long do you typically wait before starting another brew?

 

I have two LBKs.  I stagger them so I'm bottling/brewing a batch midway through the next batch's fermentation , meaning I brew every 10-11 days.  I almost always bottle a batch, clean the LBK, then brew my next batch right away.  I alternate brews between ones with short conditioning times and ones with long.

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24 minutes ago, Shrike said:

 

I have two LBKs.  I stagger them so I'm bottling/brewing a batch midway through the next batch's fermentation , meaning I brew every 10-11 days.  I almost always bottle a batch, clean the LBK, then brew my next batch right away.  I alternate brews between ones with short conditioning times and ones with long.

Thats exactly what i do too. If i want to brew but dont have a keg available then i either brew a lager the slow way or i start filling growlers for people. Or i go the full three weeks fermenting. A keg is bound to empty by then. 

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If you look closely in the upper left, you can see the treadmill safely folded up and out of the way.

#showmeyourstash

 

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4 hours ago, Shrike said:

 

I have two LBKs.  I stagger them so I'm bottling/brewing a batch midway through the next batch's fermentation , meaning I brew every 10-11 days.  I almost always bottle a batch, clean the LBK, then brew my next batch right away.  I alternate brews between ones with short conditioning times and ones with long.

That too is my aim in getting the second LBK, plus I'd like to be able to use one for batch priming.

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I am just getting towards-the midpoint my first full year. I have 2 LBK in use.  For now, I have done a staggering of  brews every 10 day, but I have also brewed two different types at the same time.  For the start the big frustration was having enough bottles available for use and filling.  Depending on the type of brew, I bottle in the 750 PET, regular 12 oz bottles and  1/2 lliter flip top bottles.  (Be sure to know how much priming sugar each size uses)  Avoid screw top bottles at all costs.  Because I like to mix what types I am consuming, it is nice to have variety.  Now that I have a good mix of bottles, I have made more that one beer requiring  6 months  minimum conditioning (my office in the house is now referred by my wife as the brewery.  Next up, two partial mashes.  Will be getting a 7gal conical so I am able to make a double batch or two.  Yes, more costly than a 36 pack of major national rands, but more fun and a more enjoyable beer.  Cost does drop a bit when you have a good bottle supply!

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#showmeyourstash

The man cave stash:  left to right are the fermentation fridge, bottled beers, empties on the floor, the "to brew queue" in the closet with more bottled beer, the beer fridge itself where I put beers for three days before drinking (whose top shelf is where hops, grains, and yeast are stored), and wine fridge where two batches of lagers are conditioning at 54*.
 

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We have a third bathroom that I use for recently bottled beers just in case of bottle bombs.  I've got about seven batches conditioning in it.

 

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I feel like such a piker. I have several conditioning, but don't anything brewing. Better get to work on SWMBO.

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15 hours ago, Shrike said:

#showmeyourstash

The man cave stash:  left to right are the fermentation fridge, bottled beers, empties on the floor, the "to brew queue" in the closet with more bottled beer, the beer fridge itself where I put beers for three days before drinking (whose top shelf is where hops, grains, and yeast are stored), and wine fridge where two batches of lagers are conditioning at 54*.
 

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We have a third bathroom that I use for recently bottled beers just in case of bottle bombs.  I've got about seven batches conditioning in it.

 

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Lol, looks like your amp felt uncomfortable around so much CO2 and beat feet to another room!

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1 hour ago, Cato said:

Lol, looks like your amp felt uncomfortable around so much CO2 and beat feet to another room!

Lol!  It's in the opposite corner of the room, but there's no room there for the guitars.  I really need to re-organize.

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On 2/25/2018 at 5:03 PM, Shrike said:

#showmeyourstash

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Whatcha saving them custom caps for??? You cant take them with you! ☁️😇 ☁️

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4 hours ago, Creeps McLane said:

Whatcha saving them custom caps for??? You cant take them with you! ☁️😇 ☁️

 

That's true, I need to just start using them.  It's not like my wife can't get me more next Christmas.  :)

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Yesterday was my first bottling day.

 

Everything went smoothly I believe. Looking at at small sample before I started bottling, it seemed to have the color and smell of a Blue Moon. It had a flat beer/cider smell to it, and the taste at first reminded me of a Blue Moon, but it wasn't until I opened a Budweiser later that night that I changed my mind about what I thought it reminded me of.  Looks like the 27th I will start putting them in the fridge. I plan to start my 2nd Batch (Octoberfest)probably next week. Too much going on yesterday so I will wait until my next day off to start my 2nd brew.

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1) Please refrain from using obscenities on the forum, it's a violation of the Terms of Service and could get you banned.  Words like "Budweiser" are offensive to many.

 

2) If you bottled on 3/6, then you shouldn't put any into the fridge until 4/3, 28 days from then.  And only put in 1, let it sit for 3 days, then try it.  

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28 minutes ago, MOODY said:

it wasn't until I opened a Budweiser later that night

 

 

Just admitting that you drink Budweiser can get you banned.  Be careful. :):)

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There's nothing wrong with the occasional Budweiser.  Coors Light or Michelob Ultra, on the other hand...  :) 

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Just admitting that you drink Budweiser can get you banned.  Be careful. :):)

ROFLMAO.....I was studying his post looking for the profanity Rick was referring to....silly me

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On 3/7/2018 at 1:17 PM, Shrike said:

There's nothing wrong with the occasional Budweiser.  Coors Light or Michelob Ultra, on the other hand...  :) 

My late father-in-law used to call Coors light "redundancy beer"

 

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Had my first taste of my first homebrew last night. (Classic American Light)

It's like everyone is saying, it was drinkable, but nothing wow. I didn't gag which is all i was shooting for. It had no head at all, but was well carbonated. I could tell it was suppose to taste like a bud or miller, but it did have a slight cider smell and taste to it which I'm guessing is due to letting it get a little to warm during fermentation. 

My 2nd batch (Octoberfest-Apple Brown Beery) was fermented the same way so I'm sure I'll have similar results. I'm hoping because I did use apple cider in that batch, that it will turn out a little better.

Also wanted to add that I now have a fermenting fridge (4.4 cu ft)

Started my 3rd batch (first with proper temp control) on April 3rd (Aztec Mexican Cerveza-Boysenberry Tart)

and WOW!! the difference fermenting at a lower temperature. I had overflow several times during the first 2 days of fermentation. It has finally settled down and the fridge says 61 degrees, but I'm guessing the LBK is about 66 degrees.


Thanks everyone again for their help and support!

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You shouldn't be guessing at the temp of the LBK, since with a temp controller you know exactly what it is.  My guess is that you haven't properly setup the probe against the LBK, below the liquid line, and insulated by a folded rag or paper towel, then taped in place.

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No, I haven't gotten a temp controller yet. the digital display on the fridge says 61....but the stick on thermometers  i have on the LBK and inside the fridge are reading about 66.

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That's a problem when peak fermentation ends, because if that's accurate, you'll be a bit too low.  It sounds like it's not accurate if the stick on inside the fridge (not on the LBK) reads 66.

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